There is a deep emergent need in humans to access more and to understand more in terms of the spiritual dimensions of life. In this conversation, we explore the nature of what drives us and we look at some of the obstacles that we face when we seek to access the realms of originality and to access original experience, which is central to the story of human life. Join Aviv Shahar as he and Ron Lingard engage in a rich discussion of The Human as Spiritual Resource.
There is a deep emergent need in humans to access more and to understand more in terms of the spiritual dimensions of life. In this conversation, we explore the nature of what drives us and we look at some of the obstacles that we face when we seek to access the realms of originality and to access original experience, which is central to the story of human life. Join Aviv Shahar as he and Ron Lingard engage in a rich discussion of The Human as Spiritual Resource.
01:53 – The Human as Spiritual Resource
06:55 – Ron shares a brief story from his childhood
10:17 – Is it possible to capture original perceptions and experiences?
13:49 – The objective actuality of the spiritual realm as an emergent phenomenon of human life
21:36 – The concept of expansion and contraction
25:19 – Aviv presents a compelling argument against a Biblical assertion
34:15 – Aviv and Ron expound on the concept of agency
39:42 – The Octopus Teacher
42:19 – How Ron places expansion and contraction within the lens of human experience
50:40 – Ron leaves the conversation with one final thought
“So, when I say spiritual resource, what I mean by that is access to what the universe is actually trying to call out from human beings, to find its next steps, somehow, because we are at that forefront, somehow, of forging portals, forging new perception and new vision, about futures.” (09:15) (Ron)
“I think it’s not so much being able to describe it externally so much as it’s what is being called out of people now. There is a basic humanity I believe that lives within ordinary people. It’s the very fact that things are coming up to a point where the way forward is almost forcing this inner resource to actually come to the surface.” (18:00) (Ron)
“A very important aspect of ‘thinking new’ is bringing language more into the open and making it more connected and more meaningful in a way.” (24:53) (Ron)
“If you think about the Self in its other context, then it really needs to be the idea of self-realization as a process of discovery as we meet different languages to express what we are and contacting something that is not a personal property in that way. So, it’s tapping into something else that is actually being realized through human life.” (38:58) (Ron)
“The important thing that was catching me about the idea of contraction and expansion was the idea of seed. If you think of the way that floral life expands and then contracts, the one constant is the fact that the seed continues in that expansion and contraction. And what the seed represents is what’s needed for the next generation.” (43:38) (Ron)